It was the first time I started to consider how I could eventually bring myself to leave. This an extremely tight niche though. I've been in several different specialties and 5 jobs. I dont know if Im suffering from the grass is greener on the other side. Given the number of questions I fielded on a daily basis, it helped me stay up to date on research and become proficient in managing complications of both treatments and diseases. All rights reserved. Im tired of staying late because one of my patients decided to come half an hour late or they didnt fill out the paperwork. Get a bachelor's degree (preferably in science). Quitting medicine altogether? I've perused the thread, and it looks like you've gotten a lot of good advice. I apologize for the long read, I just really wanted to get that out. My friend has been working from his balcony for the past year sipping mimosas and making more money in sales than a PA; all with a bachelors degree. We love PAs and we love working with them. It was day two of my elective rotation in oncology at M.D. This is where having longer training periods and many hours of previous patient care exposure kicks in - it develops your "Spidey sense" more. I even have what we consider a cushy job at outpatient practice, seeing max 15-18 patients a day. By But, having specific reasons for staying was important to me. If I am assigned to an afternoon shift, my work day starts at noon or 2 p.m. We work 12-hour shifts and have six APPs on each day who work at staggered start times in order to provide adequate cover for patient care. If some doc said that to me, I'll just smile and say yup you better be. Before you jump into becoming a physician assistant (or a physician, for that matter), know that it will sometimes ask things from you even when you dont have them to spare. Experiences vary both for physicians with PAs as well as for students who become PAs. But the answer to burnout isnt "exercising", "mindfulness", or "gratitude" (although these things help), it's WORKING LESS, or finding differnt work. I'm happier now & had grown. Everyone has a place. WebHate being a medical assistant. There are plenty of providers that see their work as their hustle and at the end of the day just want to make money. She didn't check with her collaborating physician or show him the CT scan before she saw the patient. If you no longer like what you do (and I've been there), then you you have options: curse the darkness, work to try to fix the problems, change jobs, or transition to something completely different. A few years ago, a good friend (and PA colleague) somehow managed to quit and move out of town, on to a new adventure. WebHe must hate father and mother, wife and child. Anderson. Anyone else feel this way? And I hate to say it but, despite the headlines of a "growing PA profession" and it being called one of the hottest jobs of the future, the actual job absolutely sucks. Many docs are employees of someone else. Choose a different career path. JP: I try to take a standardized approach to evaluating patients. I can only imagine what that will be like. Im literally about to call off tomorrow because I just cant do it. It wasn't a matter of not wanting anything to change. It happened when I decided to become a PA. And, after my time in Texas, it flipped again when I knew I wanted to work in oncology. Indeed, estimates from the Association of American Medical Colleges (AAMC) indicate that the U.S. could face a shortfall of between 21,000 and 55,000 primary care doctors by 2023. Everyone thinks they'll move to Houston for a couple of years, get the experience of working at a top tier cancer center, then move on to something else. By Overview
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Experience the power of physical therapy! This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies. 14,595 satisfied customers. She decided on PA school and enrolled at Midwestern University in Glendale, Arizona. Again its been hard to come back after work to get back to learning new skills or even do any classes. And PA students may be interested in /r/PAstudent for discussions geared towards PA school. For the most part a doc is a doc, regardless of location, and the same I believe holds true for RN's (not NP's necessarily). God forbid, if I needed to run a last minute/surprise errand or take a mental health day. I think what they say is true that medicine should be a calling and you should get into it because you love caring for others otherwise. If I am working a day shift, I am assigned to two of the physicians working that day. The most common treatment of y is z." Some of those changes aren't good for everyone, who may have grown up around the old paradigm and have those expectations. I call the two physicians at the start of my shift, and we determine who will see each patient. Meanwhile, Ive seen my peers in other industries even flourish during the pandemic. I feel as though all school taught me was to select the most correct answer out of a given list of possibilities. Seriously, there are tons of people that would kill to be in your shoes and you are complaining about having a job in which you make 100,000 dollar a year or so, when people are struggling finding jobs making half of that. I have noticed that some medical students and residents sometimes have animosity towards PAs but I think that will go away as they start practicing more as an attending. As you said, you like your SP and your specialty. So, my brief take would be than an ENT who berated has had - 1. a bad experience seeing a PA as a patient, 2. Im tired of the stress of whether I made the right decision or not, or whether or not Ill get sued in the future. We go in liking the idea of being flexible and having the ability to move among the specialties. Which, I'm sure, was a delight for everyone around me. I just don't like what practicing medicine consists of. (shrug) You don't need an MD to do MOST of what primary care does. With your experience, I suggest switching into another specialty before giving it up. Even better than our working relationship with our physicians is the relationship we have with our APP co-workers. For my first job out of PA school, I found a position in oncology and was able to stay in Pittsburgh. People in both roles complete a bachelor's degree in pre-med or a similar field, such as biology, nutrition, public health or biochemistry. Looking back now. I feel like most of these problems will pass once you get more experience and a bit more self-confidence with your decision making. And PA students may be interested in /r/PAstudent for discussions geared towards PA school. Well, regardless of my opinion (which is always correct), the entire landscape is totally different now than it was a generation ago and even further from the generation before that. Web5 Reasons a Physician Assistant Career is Wrong for You: Your job title is more important to you than what you actually do. Each new patient I see is staffed with the attending physician. The people with great jobs think the rest are ungrateful whiners, and those with sh!tty jobs think the profession sucks. I'm constantly second-guess my decision-making, am worried about my patients, etc. Switching into a different specialty would not help. Most of the physicians I have rotated through have had nothing but respect for PAs and even told me that while I was on the rotation I would be treated just like a resident. I have run across docs that think anyone less than an MD shouldn't make any medical decisions, but there are many docs that recognize that we can work independently in high acuity situations. But a lot of general medical specialties seem to offer more autonomy. I applied for an MSL role early this year, didnt get it. Anderson did it." A long one too. They went to school 3x as much as a PA. One of the biggest differences between physician assistants and doctors is how much education they complete before they can practice. Only deployment overseas to Iraq as an Army Medical Officer gave me the great job satisfaction one would expect to get out of their work. But I don't worship them. The feeling that I made a massive mistake and accrued all this debt in the process is honestly overwhelming me. See if that changes how your day feels. January 30, 2017 in PA Student General Discussion. Powered by Invision Community, Welcome to the Physician Assistant Forum! Medicine is the most resistant field to change. How many patients do you see a day? I'm not a martyr by any means; I wasn't sacrificing my happiness to care for my patients. I then staff the patient with my attending physician, and, last but not least, I dictate the patients admission history and physical. Collaboration. Are they going to lecture either one how worthless they are too? However, I do respect the insight and appreciate the candid discussion. This book is a study manual for the Medical Council of Canada licensing examsand it's written by current residents/fellows. Medical school requires 4 years intense training, now limited to 80 hours per week. I think your state makes a big difference; as much as your specialty. I have another job lined up. What are the unique characteristics of PAs in hospital medicine? Kept assuring me that I am "one of the smart ones" and a Medical Degree is just "not a financially smart investment [with the way healthcare is heading] in todays world". Im tired of the inflexibility of my schedule. Badgers, medicine is one big algorithm. It may be the best professional experience I ever have. But like others have said, we get to help people on a daily basis. Consultant Cardiologist. I enjoy being a physician assistant because my work is challenging, yet very rewarding. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, between 2018 and 2028, demand for PAs will jump by 31%, nurse practitioners by 26%, and registered nurses by 12%. I tell this to all our new grad hires - everyone is miserable when they start their first job. We share the same commitment to patient care and enjoy the work that we do. We work together as a team to get all the patients seen and then break for lunch. If they have received treatment at Mayo Clinic previously, it is nice to be prepared with all their recent medical information. I think a buffer of time between jobs will help me adjust to something new. Have you tried looking for pharm sales positions? My switch flipped. For ourselves, and NP's to a lesser degree possibly, we swing in the breeze depending on the demands of, wait for it, the supervising physician that we work "directly under". I hate the stress involved. I completed a post-graduate PA fellowship at Mayo Clinic in Phoenix, Arizona. I am someone who needs to work and keep busy, but to balance it out, I love spending time with my children. It's a powerful feeling to know you are good at what you do, and it's reassuring when those with whom you work trust you to manage patient care at a high level. Source: am a new grad in my 2nd week of practice. This realization was the trigger I needed. You'll have that. Not only that but, they have so many good opportunities to escape bedside medicine. However I really don't know what I can do with a PA degree. The afternoon is then typically spent doing new admissions and consults. I find I make fewer mistakes that way. 2018 PhysicianAssistantForum.Com. On the physician side, from what I can tell especially those in primary care, there is some sort of fear that they are being overtaken by those they deem unworthy to I was frustrated. Try something new. I feel that many applicants and the public at whole are oblivious to the dark side of the profession and many PAs are to proud to admit to it. WebIm tired of being woken up in the middle of the night when Im on call. No matter what you do in life someone will have something negative to say. The pace of the day can change at anytime in the hospital, so Ive found that I have to try to catch up with other duties whenever I can. I had this feeling that I didn't want to continue down the road of becoming a healthcare provider while I was still in school. To be fair, there are boatloads of unhappy physicians out there as well. A lot of people probably go to medical school with a romantic notion about I tend to have recurring kidney infections (in my kidneys, Hi, I tend to have recurring kidney infections (in my kidneys, not bladder) - I get none of the UTI pain/burning/urgency symptoms, and I family read more. Can't handle anyone having success or smarts other than an MD. Start your band, work at Chik-fil-A. Create authentic, effective responses for your PA school interview with a proven step-by-step framework. Still, moving forward feels a heck of a lot better than cursing the darkness and watching the clock tick. Im tired of no admin time. For example, when seeing patients in the emergency department (ED) who require admission to the hospital, I first review their medical record. They have nice work perks such as a free phone every 2 years, gifts, flexible schedules, free meals, paid lunch hour, holidays and weekends off. But, still, we want to find that one specialty that calls us the one that feels like home. Heck no! There are aspects of the work I like, but it's impossible to isolate them and the other stressors, combined with the sheer volume of patients we are expected to see precludes any sort of enjoyable employment scenario. The iRobot Roomba j7+ is designed with the issue of dog poop in mind. and realize there will be good days and bad days.looks like your having a bad day. sorry about that my friend. I have been a pa since 1996 as we I think that this thread shows what one of the primary problems within our profession is and that is the wide swing of diversity, even within the same specialty settings and locales. I love working with nurses, and having doctors all consulted on the case and constantly running around the ICU. Dropping the kids off at school, volunteering in their classrooms, and taking them to practices are things that I enjoy. I honestly hate it all. Had interview last week go well. As someone who is in their nth career, I think we have to take ownership of our own situations. JP: PAs in HIM have to be flexible, organized, and able to multitask. You have to be able to go with the flow of the day. There is a lot of talk about autonomy, but not much to really go around. Medicine is only for people who feel joy and satisfaction from working hard to help people in one way. Something was off. A physician assistant (PA) is a medical support specialist who assesses, diagnoses and provides care for patients. It hasn't. 4. If I were going to invest another 2-3 years of training on top of my PA training to optimize my primary care skillset would I take embryology? JP: When I started PA school, I didnt know which specialty I wanted to practice. Sent by my Samsung S4 Active via Tapatalk. Four months later, I was a Texan. My friend who is a pharmacist recently made the switch and loves it. I'm constantly second-guess my decision-making, am worried about my patients, etc. I've been a PA for 17 years and I can count on one hand (ok maybe two) the number of days my job produced a level of satisfaction, enjoyment, or happiness. For those of you who are head over heels in love with your current position, be thankful. I admire friends and family who were dedicated and put their effort into being a doc. I'm glad we're realistic about the way we are feeling. Create a free account to read more stories, or become a member for more access to exclusive benefits! Is the grass really greener? This is silly because I'm in a field where it's hard to kill people. Lately Ive been finding myself jealous of my peers and colleagues in other industries. A quality healthcare team should always have good communication among its team members. So yes, generally that is sufficient. There'd always been a patient or two that I wanted to make sure I stayed until the end for, and then that would overlap with the next patient. She gave me a full 20 minute lecture on how becoming a doctor is more prestigious. Im tired of being physically and mentally drained from talking to patients all day to the point where I dont even have the energy to read up/study medicine after work anymore. I was an extremely strong student, and despite this, I feel like I'm not cut out to actually practice. I never even would interact with doctors and I wasn't learning any good medicine. A smart person would not condemn an entire profession based on some bad experiences. Was offered a job for an internal medicine inpatient position in a nyc hospital I was a little taken back by this salary, as my brother who is an WebAccording to Holland, physicians and physician assistants fall into the investigative category. Why I quit my career as a PTA and went into the field of Digital Marketing. "If I could go back in time, I would actually choose a totally different career path; probably as far away from the healthcare field as possible!". For pre-PA help, check out /r/prephysicianassistant. Pharmaceutical rep maybe? To the OP. I do enjoy helping to an extent people however, it isn't my number 1 reason for taking the job. I'm a new graduate. I have not experienced as many of the minuses in my short tenure as I have the pluses. Any advice, thoughts, or even criticisms would be appreciated! I also knew that the likelihood of me accepting another position while I was still in a job I enjoyed so much was nearly zero. So they didn't hit the ground running but got up to speed. Don't be fooled! But I still don't think it's an unfair criticism to say that (at least a few) PAs are trained entirely in thinking "The most common cause of x is y. I'd do a masters' degree in counseling and make myself an ersatz psychiatrist, because that's FAR more needed than a doc who is admittedly superior to PAs in isolating the correct diagnosis in an undifferentiated new disease state. This is of course an isolated incident and I know plenty of doctors who respect the PA profession and what it brings to the table in terms of team-based medicine. They have been shown to have critical thought too. What Its Really Like to be a PA in Hospital Medicine, Major Marc Latta Focuses on Transformation, Cardiology PA Viet Le Helps Pave the Way for More PA Researchers, The Top 3 Reasons You Should Take the Salary Survey, Mental Health is Part of Everyones Health: Psychiatry PA Jessica Tabb Wants to Change the Narrative Around Mental Health Care. It boggles my mind. Ive been working as a PA in orthopaedic surgery for about a year. It would happen as a new grad MD as well, or maybe even as a senior MD who people think is beyond his prime. This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies. Feeling valued by those you work with and those you serve. Our physicians value our opinions and the perspective we bring. You have 2 articles left this month. Being surrounded by some of the brightest people in the field. My classmates seem to either have hit the jackpot with low-stress jobs, or they're all full of shit and just not showing it. Join us. End rant. We all like to think of ourselves as doing a lot (or most) of what doctors do. WebThe role of physician leaders has increased with the growing recognition that our expertise and experience can provide invaluable contributions to healthcare | 148 LinkedIn Yes, the doctor is more prestigious and should know more. This isn't House. She had come around the same time as me, also alone from another state. I was feeling drained and hated my job. Welcome to our virtual space for all things related to PAs! I am fortunate to have found a role as a PA that was so hard to give up, and I have no regrets about "overstaying" my original plan. Was offered a job for an internal medicine inpatient position in a nyc hospital I was a little taken back by this salary, as my brother who is an mri tech makes more than this! This website uses cookies to ensure you get the best experience on our website. Hope you can. Jobs are out there that will afford you the respect, autonomy, and fulfillment that you seek. I'm a very personable and affable individual as well. It has to be written down! and realize there will be good days and bad days.looks like your having a bad day. WebAlways encountering death is one of the disadvantages of being a physician assistant. The state law defines as hate speech meant to vilify, humiliate, or incite violence against a group, or a class of persons on the basis of race, color, religion, ethnicity, national origin, disability, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity or gender expression. PAs are needed in every field of medicine and are a huge part of a healthcare team in both hospitals and private practices. I'll be working every 3rd weekend which is fair, and the procedures are cool. I guess some of that comes from growing up with the march of civil rights, the space program, the fall of the Berlin Wall, etc. Being a major research facility, the physicians have many other obligations outside of patient care. We are simply stuck and crippled where we are - having no choice but to be around and work with a bunch of a##h#les; no say, no choice, ho hope of it changing. As an introvert and a goal oriented person , this is a bad match for me. Biden and gang are still trying to blame Donald Trump for the countrys many problems. Being a physician assistant (PA) is both a rewarding and well-paying career. I'm about a month into my first job. Communism rules and capitalism is dead (meaning - we're not even allowed to choose our own future as an entrepreneur and open our own practice; even if we hire our own supervising physicians!) I volunteer at their school, watch their softball and baseball games, and host many play dates! You are allotted five hours to complete five 60-question sections. Yes I think thats probably a big if not one of the biggest parts. Most of us want out eventually. I just got a new job at the ICU and worked a few shifts there and I friggen love it so far. Every night I come home and try to escape my work day. Good luck. Considering a specialty switch. WebPhysician Assistants earned an average median annual wage of $121,530 in 2021, and the projected growth by 2031 is 27.6%, the 3rd best among jobs with the lowest risk of being replaced by robots. All Rights Reserved. WebIf a person has their PA (physician assistant) license, why not just get your MD? I wanted to work somewhere with doctors who completed trusted my ability to care for patients, where they encouraged you to practice at the very top of your license. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Its nice to know Im not the only one with these feelings. Participation is open for anyone, including PAs, Physicians, NPs, nurses, students, other medical professionals, and the general public. It just depends on what side of the fence you are on. Being a major research facility, the physicians have many other obligations outside of patient care. 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